The Hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds.  Did you hear that the group Al Gore buys his carbon credits from is one that he is a founder of?

Well he did channel those poor children while making those millions after all. I guess he must have figured it worked once…

Yeah.  Just like the hypocrisy of the right.  They all walk on water.

DoNot - You’re in the wrong place if you think I tolerate drive-by lefty trolling.

Pay attention - I am no fan of the Republican party either.  Either join the discussion or find somewhere else to troll.

They all walk on water.

If anyone on the right side of the political spectrum ever WERE to walk on water, shitheads like you would be bitching that they can’t swim.

And in case you missed it, dumbass, your Democratic Idols are ALL over the age of 45—Hillary turns 60 in October. Barack Hussein Obama (the son of Muslim slave owners and touted member of a racist church) is just over your limit, and turns 46 in August. The Breck Girl is 54, and even Bela Pelosi is the eldest of them all (despite her mortician’s best efforts), turning 67 later this month.

Thanks for the reasoned response.  None of those listed are my “Democratic Idols”.  My username refers to all members of that generation.  They have placed an undo burden on GenerationX and expect us to continue to vote them into office.  Neither side has any interest in changing the status quo and will continue to fill their coffers with special interest money, while poisoning the environment, rolling back workers rights, and squeezing the middle and lower classes.  I realize my complaints list smells of liberalism, but these issues are not red or blue.  They effect everyone.  We all have to breathe the same air, drink the same water, and work to provide for ourselves and our family.  I realize my first post was flippant, but I didn’t have time to write out all the hypocrisy that’s present on the right, IMHO.

Not while laboring under the burden of the hypocrisy from the left, you didn’t…

Such as Al Gore buying his “indulgences” (to offset the carbon footprint from his home which, lest we forget, uses more than 20 times the energy of the average American home) from himself!

Such as the cited example of the Breck Girl Jim gave.

Such as the Kennedy clan making in the tens of millions of dollars in income, but paying less in taxes than I do, because most of their money is in off-shore accounts.

Such as Nancy Pelosi “forgetting” to include American Samoa in their new minimum wage bill (and it’s purely a coincidence that the largest company in her Congressional district is ALSO the largest employer in AS, I’m sure).

Such as William Jefferson (he of the $90,000 in cold cash) being appointed to the committee that supervises the law enforcement agency that is investigating the fraud and bribery charges against him.

I can see how that kind of thing would occupy your day…

Thanks for the reasoned response.

Ah, the famous libtard troll double standard. They’re allowed to be as glib, offhanded, and insulting as they want, but if they receive anything less than an essay-grade ultra-polite response, they get to sneer at you.

I prefer to try and get my point across without doing a Howard Stern impression.  There is too much vitriol from both sides.  All that happens is both sides yell and don’t hear the other, so compromise and understanding isn’t possible.  It’s easier to be angry with the other side, when there isn’t any reason to be.  Don’t kid yourself, when the cameras turn off, they all sit around and laugh at how they manipulate us. 

Drumwaster,
Your examples would be lauded by the “right” if they were right-wing businessmen/politicians.  Except for William Jefferson, he needs to be removed from office period.

I think responses that include the words, “shitheads” and “dumbass” will, in all likelyhood, generate a sneer from anyone. 

As far as bitching about not being able to swim if you walked on water?  Frankly the left would actually demand that you suppliment those of us who could not swim with life preservers (aka welfare) and pay for programs to teach us how to swim because the harder you work...the more you’re punished, that’s how the left thinks.

Dude, do you think that everyone who is critical of the right is a left-wing nut job?  Kinda like everyone who was/is against the war in Iraq is collaborating with terrorists.  I’m sick if it, the only thing you are demonstrating is your complete ignorance and verifying that you are the yang in the left-wing yin.

I am fed up with Washington period....DoNot is a colleague of mine and actually his name is from a conversation we had while I was venting the fact that I am fed up with the same bickering cry babies that we have to choose from every election.  Yes, the left-wingers probably lapped up Edward’s speach and the left is full of people telling the middle-class what “they need to give up”.  Elitism is bipartisan and present in both parties.  I think that is part of the problem “Both parties”....

Frankly as long as we keep fighting with one another we are a lot easier to manipulate, God help them if we ever stopped throwing stones!!

Your examples would be lauded by the “right” if they were right-wing businessmen/politicians.

And that little difference is what defines “hypocrisy”. Since the Liberals are demanding that people pay more in taxes, and not use up more resources than one “needs”, and insists on anyone on the Right recusing themselves from even the faintest tinge of conflict-of-interest, while doing each and every one of those things themselves, I have yet to see how your pointing out that the Right is not hypocritical about the issue helps your argument in the slightest.

Because, y’know, it doesn’t.

I think responses that include the words, “shitheads” and “dumbass” will, in all likelyhood, generate a sneer from anyone.

Trust me, I was sneering enough for the both of us, and don’t need any more assistance from the likes of you.

Dude, do you think that everyone who is critical of the right is a left-wing nut job?

Not at all, but I’ve read other nonsense from him, and know his political stripe quite well. (Yellow, that is, and centered dorsally.)

Kinda like everyone who was/is against the war in Iraq is collaborating with terrorists.

Being against the war isn’t the issue. There can be quite legitimate grounds for being against the war that have nothing to do with political issues.

However, it’s not that they (the ones protesting the Iraq War) don’t want us to be in Iraq, it’s that they clearly want the other side to win, just as their parents did 40 years ago. They aren’t against war, they are against the United States winning one.

I remember the spin that they had started even before the Twin Towers had finished smouldering - that we would never be able to defeat Afghanistan, that we should try diplomatic negotiations with the Taliban, that we should be concentrating on those people who were “serious” problems (e.g., Saddam Hussein)…

But a nice try at revising history.

God help them if we ever stopped throwing stones!!

You first, “pacifist”. (It’s interesting how you haven’t shown any of that lauded antipathy towards the Left - just those on the Right - while at the same time you loudly allege your “independence”.

DoNot is a colleague of mine

You both have my sympathy, and yet you manage to show that you deserve each other.

It’s interesting how you haven’t shown any of
that lauded antipathy towards the Left - just those on the Right - while at the same time you loudly allege your “independence”.

Indeed, and I mentioned this just recently. People like him love to claim to be “Independent” and “critical of both parties” because they think it makes them look intelligent and individual. But somehow, when it comes time to settle up accounts, you have to exert the same effort required to get blood from a stone to get them to admit to even the slightest hint of problems on the Dem side.

And that little difference is what defines “hypocrisy”.

Quite right.  I’ve only joined this board this week but will stick around to hear more cogent insight as to my political leanings, yellow they may be.

admit to even the slightest hint of problems on the Dem side.

The Dems have just been in control for a short time after many years of enlightened Rep rule.  Most of the present “problems” stem from protracted neo-con strong-arm tactics.  However, there were enough Dems in both the house and senate to force the Rep majority to discuss legislation instead of giving the President a blank check.  I would have preferred to see more of the old guard on both sides removed and have a new generation of leaders in the congress.  We need a anti-incumbent/3rd party movement to effect any real change.  The executive has grabbed too much power and the congress (both Democrats and Republicans) allowed it to happen.

Actually, I am “critical” of both parties because I am fed up and yes, I am intelligent and individual.  Where have I ever shown an unwillingness to say that there is a problem with the Dems?  You are also assuming I am a Democrat which you are wrong about as well.

For that matter, if the Republicans would do what they say they are going to do I wouldn’t have any issue with them. (Smaller government, stay out of our lives and fiscal responsibility).

As far as the Pacifist remark...you don’t know me, I’m not a pacifist.  The “throwing stones” comment (which I didn’t make clear) was meant to mean that we should stop throwing stones at each other and start demanding more of everyone in Washington.  Do you think I thought this last election was going to fix anything?  Well, I’ll go on the record.  The Dems aren’t going to do shit for us and they are going to spend our money and their efforts on political blood letting instead of getting anything done.  The border will remain a joke, our currency will continue to dwindle, North Korea will continue to test Nukes, Iran will continue their bomb making but AT LEAST WE CONVICTED SCOOTER LIBBY! And GOD SAVE US FROM ANN COULTER!!  The Dems priorities are screwed just like yours are! 

Oh..and here’s another one for you painting me a liberal.  I am AGAINST bailing out of Iraq, my issues with Iraq are the way it is being handled and that our military is serving subordinate to a Iraqi government and a bunch of people who have shown no willingness to fight for themselves.  They seem perfectly content to let our soldiers do their fighting for them.  THAT’s why I’m critical of Iraq. 

Curiously, where the hell have all of you so-called “conservatives” been the last six years aside from serving as Bush’s bobblehead dolls?  The Democrats hold the two houses now because the republicans refused to police themselves and remain conservative.  I already know that the Democrats aren’t going to stay in check and it’s going to get a lot worse in 2008 if they get all three branches.  The only hope I for this country is moderates, since there is really no such thing as a moderate Democrat (Those are libertarians) then it is up to moderate Republicans.  My posts are not leftist whining but an appeal to moderates to stop pushing the pendulum. 

In this thread, I have read a great deal more criticism of the left from myself on this board than I have head anyone here say about right. In fact, aside from JimK I haven’t seen any. 
Granted, I am new to the board and haven’t ready every thread but so far, all I see is brainwashed neocons.

Most of the present “problems” stem from protracted neo-con strong-arm tactics.

That tells us everything we need to know about you.  There is exactly one kind of person who uses language like this - radical (or simply obnoxious) leftists who usually frequent Kos and D.U.  It’s levied as an insult and is ridiculous on it’s face, but it’s also a giveaway.

Your act isn’t fooling anyone, but you’re welcome to continue to try to play the moderate.  As long as you’re actually contributing and not just name-calling, I’m satisfied.  We don’t have to agree, but you do have to treat my “house” with a little respect.  So far so good.

Something you might find interesting… That is, if you are interested in facts:

Since Teddy Kennedy walked away from a dead girl with only a wrist slap (which was knocked down to a mild talking-to, plus time served: zero), Democrats have apparently become a protected class in America, immune from criminal prosecution no matter what they do.

As a result, Democrats have run wild, accepting bribes, destroying classified information, lying under oath, molesting interns, driving under the influence, obstructing justice and engaging in sex with underage girls, among other things.

Meanwhile, conservatives of any importance constantly have to spend millions of dollars defending themselves from utterly frivolous criminal prosecutions. Everything is illegal, but only Republicans get prosecuted.

Conservative radio personality Rush Limbaugh was subjected to a three-year criminal investigation for allegedly buying prescription drugs illegally to treat chronic back pain. Despite the witch-hunt, Democrat prosecutor Barry E. Krischer never turned up a crime.

Even if he had, to quote liberal Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz: “Generally, people who illegally buy prescription drugs are not prosecuted.” Unless they’re Republicans.

The vindictive prosecution of Limbaugh finally ended last year with a plea bargain in which Limbaugh did not admit guilt. Gosh, don’t you feel safer now? I know I do.

In another prescription drug case with a different result, last year, Rep. Patrick Kennedy (Democrat), apparently high as a kite on prescription drugs, crashed a car on Capitol Hill at 3 a.m. That’s abuse of prescription drugs plus a DUI offense. Result: no charges whatsoever and one day of press on Fox News Channel.

I suppose one could argue those were different jurisdictions. How about the same jurisdiction?

In 2006, Democrat and major Clinton contributor Jeffrey Epstein was nabbed in Palm Beach in a massive police investigation into his hiring of local underage schoolgirls for sex, which I’m told used to be a violation of some kind of statute in the Palm Beach area.

The police presented Limbaugh prosecutor Krischer with boatloads of evidence, including the videotaped statements of five of Epstein’s alleged victims, the procurer of the girls for Epstein and 16 other witnesses.

But the same prosecutor who spent three years maniacally investigating Limbaugh’s alleged misuse of back-pain pills refused to bring statutory rape charges against a Clinton contributor. Enraging the police, who had spent months on the investigation, Krischer let Epstein off after a few hours on a single count of solicitation of prostitution. The Clinton supporter walked, and his victims were branded as whores.

The Republican former House Whip Tom DeLay is currently under indictment for a minor campaign finance violation. Democratic prosecutor Ronnie Earle had to empanel six grand juries before he could find one to indict DeLay on these pathetic charges—and this is in Austin, Texas (the Upper West Side with better-looking people).

That final grand jury was so eager to indict DeLay that it indicted him on one charge that was not even a crime—and which has since been tossed out by the courts.

After winning his primary despite the indictment, DeLay decided to withdraw from the race rather than campaign under a cloud of suspicion, and Republicans lost one of their strongest champions in Congress.

Compare DeLay’s case with that of Rep. William “The Refrigerator” Jefferson, Democrat. Two years ago, an FBI investigation caught Jefferson on videotape taking $100,000 in bribe money. When the FBI searched Jefferson’s house, they found $90,000 in cash stuffed in his freezer. Two people have already pleaded guilty to paying Jefferson the bribe money.

Two years later, Bush’s Justice Department still has taken no action against Jefferson. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi recently put Rep. William Jefferson on the Homeland Security Committee.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Democrat, engaged in a complicated land swindle, buying a parcel of land for $400,000 and selling it for over $1 million a few years later. (At least it wasn’t cattle futures!)

Reid also received more than four times as much money from Jack Abramoff (nearly $70,000) as Tom DeLay ($15,000). DeLay returned the money; Reid refuses to do so. Why should he? He’s a Democrat.

Former Clinton national security adviser Sandy Berger literally received a sentence of community service for stuffing classified national security documents in his pants and then destroying them—big, fat federal felonies.

But Scooter Libby is facing real prison time for forgetting who told him about some bozo’s wife.

Bill Clinton was not even prosecuted for obstruction of justice offenses so egregious that the entire Supreme Court staged a historic boycott of his State of the Union address in 2000.

By contrast, Linda Tripp, whose only mistake was befriending the office hosebag and then declining to perjure herself, spent millions on lawyers to defend a harassment prosecution based on far-fetched interpretations of state wiretapping laws.

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As far as the Pacifist remark...you don’t know me, I’m not a pacifist.

That’s why I put it in quotes. Maybe I should start making it obvious that I’m being sardonic. Of course, given your clear intellectual shortcomings, I’m not sure that anything short of a clown smashing a pie into your face would get noticed.

Curiously, where the hell have all of you so-called “conservatives” been the last six years aside from serving as Bush’s bobblehead dolls?

Tell it to Trent Lott and Harriet Myers. Where in hell have you so-called “liberals” been the last six years aside from ignoring facts and bashing Bush for following the rules?

Oh..and here’s another one for you painting me a liberal.  I am AGAINST bailing out of Iraq

That’s like denying you are a Catholic because you don’t like purple. (No, moron, I’m not accusing you of being a Catholic, I’m making a point involving non sequitors.)

The only hope I for this country is moderates, since there is really no such thing as a moderate Democrat (Those are libertarians)

I think you misunderstand what libertarians stand for. (Surprise, surprise.) Democrats, by definition, believe that there exists no human problem that cannot be solved by a new government program, while libertarians believe exactly the opposite.

But by all means, tell us more about the differing forms of government. I could use a laugh, above and beyond what watching Bela Pelosi’s “most ethical government” affords.

Most lobbying groups are bi-partisan.  The corruption goes deep into both parties.  Will all be held accountable?  No.  The Department of Justice has a duty to investigate, but will fall far short of what it should do, because, again no one wants to change anything in congress. 
We have a bunch of perpetual fat cats in D.C. and because of the way the media and campaigns are run, issues like those are derailed by social issues that people care a lot more passionately about.
The only way change will be enacted is to elect a large block of 3rd party candidates who would then press for real campaign-finance and lobbying reform.  Term limits would be nice too.
As for Limbaugh, he makes enemies in his line of work and he probably shouldn’t have gone out of his way to lamb-bast people addicted to drugs while he himself had a problem.  In the long run, he still on the air and making plenty of money.
This is all window dressing.  Doesn’t it bother you that long-held rights have been modified/ignored by the Patriot Act and the suspension of Habeas-Corpus?

I see our new lefty troll has dropped his cross so that he can pick up the goalpost. You just keep movin’ that sucker, we won’t notice…

Democrats, by definition, believe that there exists no human problem that cannot be solved by a new government program,

And anyone who believes that we should have full government control of healthcare should go, no to the dmv, but to a social security office to get a replacement card.  Went in at the end of january, waited over an hour got my paper that said if it hasn’t arrived in 2 weeks to come back.  2 and a half weeks later I come back, their computers are currently down so I’m waiting another hour to have them tell me that since my name wasn’t on my mailbox that they didn’t put the card in and sent it back to be destroyed, so I apply for one again.  Their computers are down as I said so I fill out the paperwork, and when their computers are back up it will be processed.  That was the week before Presidents day.  March 2nd I get the notice that I had applied on March 1st.  So in other words after my second application it took them almost 2 weeks to get it into the system. 

Oh and I’m still waiting. 

And did I mention that the SSA office is open from 9-4.  Not even an 8 hour day.

And we’re supposed to put these people in charge of even more things.

I see our new lefty troll has dropped his cross so that he can pick up the goalpost. You just keep movin’ that sucker, we won’t notice…

Now who’s the troll?

Doesn’t it bother you that long-held rights have been modified/ignored by the Patriot Act and the suspension of Habeas-Corpus?

You cannot name a single “long-held right” that has been “modified/ignored” by the PATRIOT Act (it’s an acronym, since you were clearly unaware of that, among many other things). You know why you can’t? Because the very first time someone tried to claim that it actually DID modify or ignore any “rights”, you would have every civil liberty group in the country filing suits against it, and it wouldn’t matter whether it was a liberal activist (who loves nothing more than to stick it to the GOP governments) or a conservative strict constructionist (who believes that the Constitution means exactly what it says, no more, no less), the jurist would overturn that alleged violation.

And as far as the suspension of “habeus corpus” goes, I haven’t seen any such notification. Got link, or are you just reciting the standard DNC talking points? (Simply pointing at a website who makes the same unattributed claim is NOT proof, so don’t bother.)

(Oh, BTW, thanks for pointing out that your knowledge of constitutional jurisprudence is as lacking as your knowledge in other areas, even though I didn’t need the reminder.)

Now who’s the troll?

That weirdo you see in the mirror when you are neglecting your daily ablutions. (Be glad you cast a reflection.)

I could answer that, but it seems to just be superfluous when Drum already did so.

Happy to help, Rann. :-)