God bless America, where we can throw the bums out.

Too bad you won’t get to throw him out.

Also, I haven’t been following the immigration bill thing.. what are the problems with the bill as you see them? (I may have missed a post of yours on it)

Anything that doesn’t start from the position of STOPPING the current flood, with physical barrier/interdiction, isn’t going to solve anything because simply saying “okay, all 12 million of you can stay if you fill out a few pages of forms and pay a fine (but if you can’t afford the fine, don’t worry about it)” to the millions that are here simply encourages the next generation of illegals to come swarming across the border.

Just like the last two times this was tried.

This wouldn’t really be an issue if it were not for the fact that it is our tax dollars that are going to pay for their health care, children’s educations, and State aid agency payments (welfare, food stamps, WIC, MISP, etc.), while they send half of their income home to other relatives in Mexico - keeping their economy alive at the cost of putting the brakes to our own.

I encourage immigration. Just sign the guest book on the way in the door. If you sneak in through the basement window, don’t expect to be greeted as a welcome guest.

I can’t get myself to care about who wins in 2008.  Clinton, Romney, Obama, Guiliani.  They all sound the same to me.

God Save America :(

Also, I haven’t been following the immigration bill thing.. what are the problems with the bill as you see them? (I may have missed a post of yours on it)

I haven’t posted on it yet...but my main three issues are these:

1. It’s amnesty for anywhere from 10 to 40 million people that came here illegally.  I don’t think it’s even remotely fair to those that have stayed within the law.

2. Getting a visa as an illegal becomes ridiculously easy while legal immigrants continue to get screwed.

3. It makes no real provisions for preventing the large scale of illegal immigration on the southern border.

If you saw the Boston Legal episode about this subject, just put me down as exactly the opposite of Alan Shore.  :)

I also despise the word game of calling them “undocumented workers.” Given that both my branches of the family tree came over on boats, I love legal immigration.  I think it makes us a better country.  ILLEGAL immigration is not a good thing, and I’m not a racist or unpatriotic for saying so, regardless of what Bush says.

Paul Harvey made mention of the bill one day.  Saying how it will basically be passed without being read because its a thousand pages, and that if it was read it would be voted down, because what things it lays out already exist in the US law.  If the government isn’t enforcing the laws they’ve already passed, they’re not going to enforce the new laws.  And in 20 years time we’ll be talking about amnesty for 30 million “undocumented immigrants”

The problem isn’t really a lack of security or enforcement.  The problem is the immigration system we have now.  It punishes people for coming here legally. It must be bad because these people are risking their lives trying to cross a desert to avoid it. 

This bill, I agree, it’s a fucking joke.  If their goal is to get people to come forward, why would the government threaten them with a $5000 fine and deportation? 

I say we get rid of the roots of this problem, mainly the oversized immigration bureaucracy and all welfare incentives, instead of worrying about fences and checkpoints.  Even if some type of barrier like that does work (which is doubtful) it would only address a symptom a much bigger problem.

Yeah that mexico and latin america in general is a hell hole, and rather than actually do something to fix their shit they choose to violate our sovereignty and then they demand that we allow it to happen and whine when we actually want to protect our borders.

I’m surprised it hasn’t garnered more attention, especially among some of us, here and at Moorewatch (due to the Moore connection), but Fred Thomspson has, apparently, officially entered the race.

According to his podcast previous to the announcement of his cantidacy, he’s a big opponent to this bill, as well.
He has a much more no-nonsense view of immigration reform, stating that we should not even have this debate until the government proves it can secure the borders effectively.
I wholeheartedly agree. That should be our primary concern, before we start discussing how to punish (or, as this bill does, reward) the existing illegal population.

My only question isn’t whether or not I would vote for Thompson, but rather, who will he choose as a running mate?