uh? hmmm Bill complains that he cant get a copy of this show? tahts odd, last week Rush was sayinghe already seen it got it on DVD, and from the way he worded it it wasnt hard, and may others got it too…

No shock here that WJC is all upset about something that portrays his “legacy” in less that a positive light.  The man was obsessed with it during his presidency. He rewrote his reality on a daily basis, and for the most part got a very large amount of people to buy it. He went from “I didn’t have sexual relations” to “I think I know her” to “I have sinned” in a years time, and got the vast majority of people to feel bad for him.

I know you said Jim in your post that you were giving everyone a pass starting on 9/11/01, but I can’t.  The problems we have are directly the fault of WJC and his good friend James Carter.  The worse thing is they will not admit their failings, but instead see it as a way to bash the current administration.  More Liberal hypocracy.

Let’s use what little pull we have to try to pressure a network into not airing a movie that might, just might, contain as much truth as it does exaggeration and half-truths.

sorry.  completely disagree with you.  i have no idea if the movie is accurate or not, and if it is, i say, with out a doubt, air it.  but you’re saying they should air it THEN fact check?  that’s highly irresponsible.  period.  i am 100% for allowing facts to come to light, but not if the public is forced to decide which is the truth, which is the half truth, which is the exaggeration regarding responsibility for 9/11.

please tell me how that’s any different than michael moore.  do i have to watch this movie and F9/11 and figure out how to weed out the truth, or can they both be full of absolute shit overshadowing reality?

granted, i also believe that there is an absolute RIGHT to show it under the first amendment, but how about some responsibility?

it’s not about me being on the left, and you on the right.  this is about me being an american who lives in ny, and has her whole life.  i WANT to know the truth about what happened.  but how do i know which parts to believe if only 1/2 is honest?  if that’s the case, i doubt it all.  what will that accomplish?

if i completely misunderstood what you meant, then feel free to disregard what i am saying.  otherwise, i’m just sick of the far left and far right telling me what i should believe, while no one just tells us the TRUTH (and i realize that we’ll likely never get *that*). propaganda is propaganda, whether it comes from the left or right.

um.  yeah, hi.  i just read your comment to my comment to the other entry about Path… it seems that you’re agreeing with me re: condemning revisionist history.  so yeah, i may just be ranting, but i think we’re on the same page ;)

(but at least i feel better now that said rant is out… isn’t that what counts???)

hahah one more thing… i think the part that bugs me is that once it’s out there, the damage is done.  while people like you and me will try to distinguish reality from fiction, i’m STILL, for example, telling people that michael moore does NOT make accurate “documentaries” ;)

The point *I* am making is not to use censorship before anyone even knows for sure what the content *IS*.

Besides, let’s say it IS full of shit.  So?  It’s not even pretending to be a documentary, so comparing it to Moore is specious at best.  It’s not a news report.  ABC said straight off, from the beginning, that it was a fictionalized accounting *based* on the commission report.

The larger issue is this is going well beyond boycotts and passive threats.  Now Senate and House Democrats are threatening to use government power to censor the movie that almost no one has seen and yet have formed opinions about.

You have an opinion already and you haven’t seen it.  Look at all the language you used.  You seem quite prepared for it to be *totally* full of shit, but like almost everyone else, including me, you have absolutely no idea what is actually in the film.  And you’re being fairly reasonable here!  Imagine what it’s like when reason has been lost to devout worship of your red or blue “team.”

I have noticed that in discussing it, You’ve never once gave creedence to the idea that there might be truth to be found, or even talked about it like what it is: a fictionalized tv movie “based on real events.”

This is not trying to be a documentary.  I wish people, especially the goddamned former President, could grasp why that is important.

As for someone telling the simple truth?  Never going to happen.  Even if it did, no one would believe it anyway.  Too much has come of conspiracies and rebuttals and investment in digging in of heels and hating everything about Bush or Clinton or hating your own country or loving it to the point of blindness.

The truth would never be believed.

To steal an idea from another post, its as Kosh said on B5, “The truth is a three edged sword: Your story, their story, and the truth”.

jim: you’re absolutely correct, it IS a dramatization.  explain that to the less intelligent majority of the country ;) they believe anything they see if it’s on the tellyvision or the internets.  but that’s besides the point ;)

just a point of clarification regarding my comment… i’m not prepared for anything to be “totally full of shit.” i fully expect a significantly higher percentage of accuracy than inaccuracy (if any).  what i said (or at least meant) was that if some of it is true, and some is false, and some is exaggeration, how do you pick which is which?  you have to either be skeptical of all of it, or accept all as true.

but, like i said… i’m all for freedom of speech.  i don’t have to like it, and i don’t have to watch it (which i’m not—again, not because i think it’s inaccurate, but because i’m one of those in the “too soon for me for fictionalized dramatizations” camp).

i think at the end of the day, we agree on what’s most important… the danger of, as you called it, the devout worship of your team.  and, you’re right, we’ll never know the truth. 

i really hope you continue to look forward instead of back, as it is the only productive route.  as the ol’ cliche goes, hindsight is 20/20, and that goes for this administration, the clinton administration, and back and back…

but because i’m one of those in the “too soon for me for fictionalized dramatizations” camp

Oh, see there we agree.  I don’t like the damn thing either...for that reason.

OK...I totally get where you;re coming from now.  if they’re going to do it, you want it to be a real, honest, accurate documentary about how we got to that point, not a Lifetime after school cheesefest like this is likely to be. (I haven’t watched it even though part 1 aired tonight, I plan to download it since I forgot to set the tivo.)

Am I getting it right?  Because I kind of feel exactly like that.

I’m just pissed off at the censorship angle, hence this post in the first place.

I saw the whole movie.  I thought it was pretty well done.  Dick Clark seemed to have a prominent role in it, but don’t know if that is reality or not.  Maybe to Dick Clark it is.  It really did hit Clinton hard on his policies, and does anyone remember his commitment to put our troops in Bosnia for only a year?  Aren’t they still there?  Man, if I was President that would be my first act as commander-in-chief.  Then I would give them a nice long leave before putting them at our southern border.  Mexico could go take a flying leap if they don’t like it.  Maybe they can do something for their own people instead of brochures telling them how to sneak across the border.