Yes really.

“I can now announce that the United States Department of Defense and Department of Energy have completed a joint operation to secure and remove from Iraq radiological and nuclear materials that the ousted regime could have potentially used in a radiological dispersal device or diverted to support a nuclear weapons program,” Allawi said in a statement.

Then explain to me why Republican Pat Roberts, who just so happens to be the Chairman of the United States Intelligence Committee, gave the following quote today. 

“Before the war, the U.S. intelligence community told the president as well as the Congress and the public that Saddam Hussein had stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and if left unchecked would probably have a nuclear weapon during this decade, Today we know these assessments were wrong.”

John (or should I say Moore Disciple for the way the slight of hand you try to pull here),

Where did Pat Roberts say this and what else did he say?  The left is really good at picking what they want you to hear and burying the real news.  Case in point the publishing’s of the 9-11 commission and the coverage that the al-Quaida/Hussein connection got: blatant lying.

The key U.S. assertions leading to the 2003 invasion of Iraq - that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons and was working to make nuclear weapons - were wrong and based on false or overstated CIA analyses, a scathing Senate Intelligence Committee report asserted Friday.

If I did not know that AP news was a lefty outlet with an anti-war agenda, I would be inclined to buy into your quote.  Nah, not even then. You post one short line and choose to omit the real details. Let’s deconstruct the article you link for some more insight.

They choose to use the word “false”, an out and out falsehood itself.  The real news is that some - including the rest of the article you link to - believe the CIA had “OVERSTATED” its estimates. And Estimates, which is all we had because Saddam had prevented verification despite the fact he was legally bound by the UN accords to allow us to know what he had, often is guesswork. But the first paragraph is constructed to leave the casual reader with the impression the CIA falsified something.  Not everyone is smart enough to immediately ask where the congressional investigations, and the subsequent trials and arrests are.  Not even the CIA can lie to start a war and get away with it despite what stupid X-File crap libs believe.

The fact is Saddam had not one but many WMD programs that where easily reconstitutable, his nuclear one being the most important one, and used the time the US spent arguing with the UN parasites unwilling to lose the bounty they reaped from the corruption surrounding the oil-for-food program, to move, dismantle, and hide his WMDs.  Proof after proof of this fact gets brushed aside or buried by the liberal media - which prefer to write trash like the crap you link here, or the out and out lie like their coverage of the 9-11 commission results about the al-Quaida & Saddam connection - because it is more important to get rid of Bush than save vile and evil capitalist America from its deserved punishment at the hands of the righteous and angry freedom fighters. 

Here is an article in the BBC, what one might consider one of the most anti-war liberal news outlets out there, about the plot to blow up a chemical bomb – using Sarin, an agent manufactured only by Iraq in that area – that crossed the border from of all places Syria.  One needs not use Michael Moore logic to draw the lines connecting the dots here.  Subsequent articles in other news media have stated there was close to 20 metric tons of Sarin involved and the resulting attempt would have killed as many as 80,000 people.  Even if it did not happen, I want to point out this is just 10,000 short of the number that died at Hiroshima, an event the left loves to use to show how evil America is.  Think about that and what these terrorists are about, and ask yourself if Kerry going to the UN in response to such an attack would lead to anything but more attacks.

These WMDs, or proof of where they ended up, will eventually be found – it took us 13 years to find the information about the German WW2 nuclear bomb projects and – but by then the libs will make sure it does not matter.  I just hope and pray that when they are found we will have had the moral clarity to prevent liberals from changing our course of action to defeat these bastards, and they are not found because they where used on us.

You really are living in your own world aren’t you?  I just hope the weather is nice in Alexland.  Every post I read from you makes me laugh because you seem to believe every conspiracy that comes your way.  I don’t know what kind of education you received growing up but I feel really sorry for your obviously lack of reasoning. 

Let me just clarify some things for you. 

1)I am no Moore disciple.  I have never read any of his books nor seen any of his movies.  Frankly I cannot stand the man. 

2)This whole liberal media is getting a bit old.  THERE IS NO LIBERAL MEDIA!!!  That’s the news.  They report what’s going on in the world.  If you don’t like it then I really don’t know what to tell you.  Two tears in a bucket….fuck it.  Here are some links to other news outlets that tell the same story that the AP does just to shut you up but you probably won’t believe any of those either, liberal media and all.

CNN Story

Fox News Story

Rueters Story

Lets just try and settle this thing.  Have you ever heard of Occam’s Razor?  It states that all things being equal the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.  Now, what is more simple.  There is this huge liberal committee that meets every day and decides on which stories to report just to impact the upcoming election.  Or.  The news reports stories that take place in the world and there are no WMD’s in Iraq.  Hmmm, seems easy to me but then again I am living in the real worlds not Alexland. 

3)The largest manufacturer of Sarin gas was the USSR who has been the primary arms dealer to the middle east for several decades.  Don’t think that there is the slightest possibility of them selling it to someone other than the Iraqis? 

4)There was no German atomic Bomb project.  Werner Heisenberg, the world’s foremost authority of nuclear power and the head of the Nazi pursuit of any atomic weapon was in our custody on Aug 6th, He was shocked and amazed that we built a atomic bomb.  He admitted to Major T.H. Ritter, the British officer in charge that the Germans would never have been able to complete such a task.  (oh, I taking this info from a book by Gen. Leslie Groves, the republican general who was in charge of a little thing called the manhattan project.)

5)According to the United States Strategic Bombing Survey report on June 19th, 1946, called The Effects of the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 130,000 people died as a result of the first atomic bomb.

6)Two of the biggest opponents of dropping the bomb were very influential republicans, Generals Eisenhower and MacArthur, so don’t give me that liberal shit. 

I doubt any of this will make a difference on you but I though I would give it a shot.

So all the intel from other countires is BS too? Hard to beleive the entire world’s intelligence communities are as fucked up as the CIA isn’t it? Now that’s a conspiracy!

John...if you think the national media is just “reporting the news” then I don’t even know what to tell you.

Man, dude, that is naïve.  You want to tell me how often you hear about the death warehouses in Iraq?  Or the Army’s baseball league?  Or Spirit of America’s work to fund television and radio, and to being school supplies to kids or sewing machines to Iraqi women so they can start businesses and/or clothe their families?  How about detail on the rebuilding of homes, hospitals and the University?  The telecommunications that are not being rebuilt, but built for the first time ever in Iraq?

When was the last time Brokaw told you 5 minutes of good things in Iraq?  A single minute of human interest that wasn’t negative about the current administration?

I have now personally been involved in an international news story, and I can tell you what you read in these stories is 50% bullshit.  CNN was the originator of most of the inaccuracies in my story.  If I were you I wouldn’t be so quick to put your faith in reporting *or* the lack of it.

Moving on...I’m amazed at your “Germany had no nuke program” assertion.  Try Google, John.  The very man you quote is credited with sabotaging the program you say didn’t exist.  There is MUCH controversy surrounding the issue.  I wouldn’t be so cocky with the facts if I were you.

So all the intel from other countires is BS too? Hard to beleive the entire world’s intelligence communities are as fucked up as the CIA isn’t it? Now that’s a conspiracy!

See, there can be no conspiracy to slant the news left, but there exists a giant cabal of intelligence warriors creating a disinformation campaign designed to lead America into a war in Iraq, and Dubya, who is too dumb to tie his own shoes, is the leader of this cabal.

Makes *perfect* sense to me.

Jim,

I guess we have to agree to disagree on the state of the intel and the news.  If you all believe that the WMD are there or moved out before the invasion then you must have little faith in the satellite network we have or the U-2 flyovers we’ve been doing for decades.  Not to mention the Army patrols that have been scouring the country for over a year and the Boeing/Raytheon RC-135 Rivet Joint and Being E-3 Sentry’s that would detect large shipments across the border.  We disagree, that’s fine.  It’s not the first things we disagree on.  I still love you though, even though you are a republican.  Just kidding.  ;-)

As for the German bomb.  While I respect your opinion on the subject I have done extensive studying on WWII.  My last post was referring to the Farm Hall tapes.  They were conversations between Heisenberg and Otto Hahn.  I’ve read the transcripts and listened to them as well.  If the Germans were going to build an atomic weapon those men would have to be involved because every other scientist worth his salt was in the US working for us.  After the war they both have said repeatedly that there was no atomic bomb program.  At most they were working on a dirty bomb but nothing like we used on Japan.  Here is why.  At the time a country needed four things to successfully build and deliver an atomic bomb. 

1)Money:  the US spend 2 Billion dollars on the manhattan project.  The Nazi’s could never have afforded an expenditure of that magnitude during the war.

2)Raw Material:  This the Germans had.  They had access to the uranium deposits of Western Europe and North Africa as well as the largest heavy water plant in Norway.

3)Industrial:  At the time there were three known ways of separating the needed U235 from the more prevalent U238.  Those were electromagnetic, gaseous diffusion, and centrifuge.  We build the third largest city in TN called Oak Ridge in order to build the facilities for separation.  It wasn’t until mid 1941 that plutonium was a viable possibility and we build a huge city in Washington named Hanford for that facility.  Although the Germans had the world’s largest cyclotron in occupied France, it was under constant attack by the French resistance.  As for the U-235, there is no way that the Germans could have built the necessary facilities and produced enough critical mass.  It just wasn’t possible.  They were fighting the Russians on the eastern front and being pounded by the US and British from the air.  By 1943 the Luftwaffe was basically a non issueand we roamed the skies day and night bombing the shit out of them.

4)Delivery:  The Nazi’s had no heavy bombers in their arsenal.  The most common bomber they had was the He-111 which could not in any way carry a bomb of that weight.  Hell, the B-17 couldn’t even carry it.  We had to use the B-28 to deliver it.

You know what?

I’m really sick of this moving the goalposts shit.

We can discuss the topic of this post.  It IS possible to stay on topic.

Now.  Much was made that Bush lied about various things.  One of those this was yellowcake.

But we just removed a metric fuckload of the substance that all the lefties were screaming did not exist.

Hmm.

Now.  Polish troops found a handful of sarin-filled shells that are SPECIFICALLY forbidden according to the UN resolution from 12 (now 13) years ago.  What, not *enough* WMD?  How many would be enough?  30?  50?  400?

Anyone still naïve enough to think that Saddam was just a jovial old guy ruling peacefully with no intent on creating WMDs is pipe-dreaming.  And the more that comes out, the more it proves Bush made the right choice.

I’m so fed up with this shit I *almost* wouldn’t care right now if Bush got in TV and said “Yep.  I lied because I knew you pansy fuckers wouldn’t agree to do what needed to be done.” I’d like to agree with him and thank him for doing it.

Low-level uranium that everyone and their grandmother knew Iraq possessed, and which was not weapons-grade...The notion of Iraq moving WMD to Syria before the war is based on conjecture by David Kay in a quote from January--do the research.  And, since the Iraq-Intell commission and Tony Blair have both concluded this week that there really was no WMD to speak of and our intelligence was all fucked, looks like they’ve joined the vast, left-wing conspiracy, too, eh?  Jeeze, more and more folks are just going to the fringes of society these days, refusing to believe that Saddam and Co. had all those nukes and buckets of anthrax, just waiting for payday from Osama so they could be dropped on NY, NY.  I mean, who’s going to fall in with the “looney left” next?  Karl Rove?  And those Iraq-Al Qaeda connections?  I think Bush said it best:  “We know that Iraq and Al Qaeda had connections because...Iraq and Al Qaeda did have connections!” Let’s not fool anyone here:  cries of “Bush Lied” are just as foolish as contentions that Iraq was simply crawling with WMD before the war and that there were long-term, intimate relations between stateless, pan-Islamic terrorist groups and the secularist Bath regime in Iraq.  Bush may’ve embellished and Saddam may have stalled and distorted...And we rushed into war, there’s no doubt.  Remember just before the war, when the UN WMD team was there, and the UN, France and Germany were like, “Give us more time, we need more time...” What was the American response?  Hell, no!!! This is an emergency! Step aside while we save the world again!!!  Then, after months and months, and no smoking gun, no legitamate WMD, no proof of a real and growing danger, what was our line?  Uh, this is a big country...we need more time…
Let’s not be like the pigs in Animal Farm, re-writing history and hoping all the other animals are too stupid to remember the truth…
We probably fucked this up!  Short-term:  Good, no Saddam; free Iraqi people.  Long term:  recruitment poster for anti-Western terrorists, depleted US army and contractually-bound, broke and pissed off US public, with less global credibility…

Huh.

You might want to be careful about the yellowcake story.  It’s not over yet.

At this point, a Google search of “Iraq yellowcake July 2004” brings up this as it’s first find:
But, seriously, I’ll stay tuned.  Only the weak, feeble-minded partisan idiots in this world sift through any and all evidence, facts, conjecture or opinion and twist, deny or accept until the information jibes with their pre-conceived notions of reality and fantasy, and I for one refuse to be such an indolent soul!  Truthfully, I’m a left-leaning, civil libertarian (it’s true!) and I pray that they find the stockpiles of WMD for which we’ve longed searched, for if they were there, and they’re not now, then where the fuck are they?!!!!!  I pray for the truth, beyond the bullshit partisan bickering, beyond the culture war raging in this nation, beyond God, Guns and Gays, beyond polemicists and demagogues, corporate interists and blind faith, what happened???

You really are living in your own world aren’t you?  I just hope the weather is nice in Alexland.  Every post I read from you makes me laugh because you seem to believe every conspiracy that comes your way.  I don’t know what kind of education you received growing up but I feel really sorry for your obviously lack of reasoning. 

2)This whole liberal media is getting a bit old.  THERE IS NO LIBERAL MEDIA!!!  That’s the news.  They report what’s going on in the world.

Read the two things above carefully.  Are you making the claim that I live in some kind of fantasy land then with a straight face claim there is no liberal slant in the main stream press?  What hard drugs are you on?

Here are some links to other news outlets that tell the same story that the AP does just to shut you up but you probably won’t believe any of those either, liberal media and all.

LOL!  You link more liberal media that just recycles whatever crap they can find that supports their anti-Bush/anti-War agenda, and claim that proves your point and not mine about the media bias? 

What school did you go to?  I had a liberal professor that argued like you do.  Never won any arguments except in his own mind with the exact same brilliant tactics you use. If I wasn’t sure you would fail miserably at it, I would recommend you apply that rapier wit and your Occam’s razor to the issue of media bias.

4)There was no German atomic Bomb project.  Werner Heisenberg, the world’s foremost authority of nuclear power and the head of the Nazi pursuit of any atomic weapon was in our custody on Aug 6th, He was shocked and amazed that we built a atomic bomb.  He admitted to Major T.H. Ritter, the British officer in charge that the Germans would never have been able to complete such a task.

Are you kidding me?  Did you not read what I said?  It took us 13 years to uncover all the facts - like the Iraqis the Germans did not cooperate with us either - about the program, and what we found was that Germany worked hard to get their own bomb.  They where prevented of achieving success by the entry into the war of the US, which required the diversion the bulk of their efforts to counter act.  Had the US not entered the war when it did Germany would well have finished the bomb project.  But you don’t want that.  Should you change your mind I have included this link to Amazon where you can buy a book to show you how dumb you are.  I doubt you will do anything with this of course, as it would prove your argument - ehm - lacking shall we say?

4)Delivery:  The Nazi’s had no heavy bombers in their arsenal.  The most common bomber they had was the He-111 which could not in any way carry a bomb of that weight.  Hell, the B-17 couldn’t even carry it.  We had to use the B-28 to deliver it.

So you are claiming a Kamikaze submarine or ship would not have been able to deliver the bomb?  Or is your point that unless the bomb is delivered by air it doesn’t count?  Thought so.

1)Money:  the US spend 2 Billion dollars on the manhattan project.  The Nazi’s could never have afforded an expenditure of that magnitude during the war.

So you prove to all you don’t understand war economics as well.  When one is faced with a war, barring the destruction of their warmaking infrastructure - what we did to Germany & Japan during WW2 - as a whole, every nation has spent what it took to win.  Germany would have done the same and dealt with the economic consequences after the war.  Next please.

Jim, you are right.  The goal posts will be moved every time we come close, because for these libs its not about what is true, it’s about them getting back into power, at any and all costs (and if they can’t, they would rather burn down the house to deny it the other side), and if they have to bring evil America down that is fine.

Again ask yourself: why is anything bad for America great for the democrats and their chance of re-election, and why are all the hostile nations rooting for a democrat to win the White House again?  Apply Occam’s razor to that one for me…

OH, wait, if Bush wasn’t lying, that would ahve to mean that the lefties either were lying about Bush lying to us, or they are just so hasty that they release their story, and let the accusations fly without all the facts, wouldn’t it.  SAY IT AIN’T SO JOHN!  I am so upset now to learn that the DNC would even think of either possibility!

Come on, this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as I can see.  I wouldn’t be surprised if websites like these began to suddenly be “shut down accidentally and all data lost” if Kerry is elected and the lefties run the country (in to the ground!)

The media is the one who lied.  Bush and his administration all along was the ones who said they couldn’t tie Saddam and Al-Qaeda to 9/11 as a team, BUT they did have ties as to maybe working together in the future.  THAT IS ALSO WHAT THE 9/11 COMMISSION ALSO CONCLUDES.  Get it right (pun?) dummies.