History lesson:

It was southern Democrats fighting to keep slavery in the south.

His money argument is absolutely astonishing to me.  Buddy.  It’s your own damned policies that give that money to the red states.  If you don’t want it to go there, vote red.  Don’t hold it against them because you give it and they take it.  What kind of lunacy is that?

Cause we fucking founded this country, assholes

The founding fathers created American government to provide for the common defence and promote the general welfare.  You want to provide for the general welfare and promote the common defence.  You didn’t found this country.  You don’t even understand why it exists.

The real beauty of this site is that it so articulately demonstrates why 51% of this country absolutely hate these assholes. It’s certainly the “better than thou” syndrome this guy/girl suffers from that permeates the democratic party these days.  I find myself amazed and saddened when I read something like this. It makes me think that if this person is so mad, so passionate in their views, then I must be missing the boat. But I have seen the boat, folks. I have studied it these past two years and you know what? That ship don’t float. She’s got holes. Big ones. And she’s going down at an alarming rate. I find myself wondering if I should even consider throwing a life preserver. Probably not, since it’s sites like this one that make me realize these people are beyond saving. No amount of rational debate could save someone so afflicted with the liberal flu. They just don’t get it.
Republicans, the “jesusland” folks (that one still makes me laugh), haven’t been on the news or internet that I can find spewing hate for liberals and their kind. We haven’t been out there saying “nya nya nya, nya nya, nya”. The MSM has been out their making the argument that middle America, those “red states”, won this election on family values and gay marriage. I don’t think those were the key factors for most. I honestly believe that we voted down John Kerry because we all understood that a dovish president at this point in our country’s history would do nothing but invite another attack. We disagreed with the MSM’s depiction of the war in Iraq as a quagmire of no hope. We knew better. We fought against the blatent lies that Mikey Moore and his Hollywood ilk tried to pass off as the truth (with the help of the MSM). In the end, we won. We precurred the rightful ability to state boldly “We, the majority of America, do state with the utmost passion that we disagree with Hollywood and their take on things. We disagree with those few cities that comprise the democratic base. We disagree with Michael Moore, Dan Rather and the New York Times. We, who outnumber you, state unequivocally that just because you think the whole world revolves around LA and New York does not make your view mainstream. We spoke louder than you and we will do it again when our liberties are threatened by anyone. Especially a misguided movie maker and an extremely liberal MSM.”
In the end, this moron can call people names (childish), spout statistics about how the north did this or the north did that, tell us we still secretly long for slavery in this country, etc. But it doesn’t matter. Not only is your voice weakened now, your message is minimilized by your own party who has become so eaten up with vitrol and hate that they can’t see straight. One day, this person may stop and ask him or herself why they hate the majority of Americans so much. Maybe that day, this person will see the light and realize that the very things this country was founded on are being chipped away by people who think gay marriage is the norm and that government knows best how to run your life. You were wrong on November 2nd and you are still wrong today. Me thinks you will still be wrong in 2008

It’s your own damned policies that give that money to the red states.

Yeah, when did the Democrats start hating the progressive tax rates?

I hate it when I type in a big long comment and lose it in the process of previewing it. So I’ll try again but with less verbage.

This person represents a lot of what makes me angry about New Englanders (insert label). They (emailer not all New Englanders) are just as bigotted and prejudiced as they claim the Southern Red State voters are. I know, its a commonly held belief especially among college elitist types, that if we are white and have southern accents, we must be inbred, racist and moronic. Yes, we have some bad elements like every other part of the country, but that’s not representative of everyone. Just like I’m sure the Salem witch trials aren’t representative of everyone up there.

Yes, I voted for Bush. No, I don’t agree with him on abortion or gay marriage. I’m agnostic. Both my parents attended college and no, they aren’t related. I’m just wrapping up my first divorce, so I guess technically I’m a single twenty-eight year old female, but *gasp* I voted for Bush. Not because I believe in the second coming the Aryan nation, not because I’ve been brain-damaged. Why did I vote for Bush? I researched the issues and talked with friends, I read blogs like this and Moorewatch and came to my own informed decision. I believe that finishing the job in Iraq and continuing the war on terror are more important to me now than domestic issues. On domestic issues, while I disagree with Bush on many stances, I believe that he’ll be less likely to create more frivolous legislation than his opponent.

To the short of it, I’m not sure whether to be offended or to wonder how this person ever hopes to ever get anywhere in life with such shallow, narrowminded and spiteful views.

This person is obviously so distraught and so angry that the outcome they expected didn’t happen, that they need to lash out at whomever and be validated. Really sad don’t you think?

Gotta love how they’ve got all this vitriol, this bile, they’re willing to spout all this shit, and yet they’re not willing to put it up on or connect it to whatever regular website I -assume- they have, and they don’t even sign a name… sure, they’ve got a contact link, but it’s just for “info@fuckthesouth.com”.
How pathetic.
(I also love how, whoever he is, he feels authorized to speak for the city government of New York in telling the RNC to “fuck off” for next time.)

“They were fucking blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? Hello?”

Actually I believe our founding fathers did discover the blue states and when they decided to venture west into the red states to expand the country the only people to stay behind were the whining liberals. This is why the east coast has remained blue.

Oh, and to answere the question on why is the west coast blue I say that once our founding fathers made it to the west coast it reminded them too much of the whining liberals so they moved back towards the inland areas. As soon as traveling leisurely by ship came about all the lazy libs jumped on and sailed to the west.

Just my humerous take on things. Hope you enjoyed.

Does he even realize that his whining about taxes SHOULD put him in agreement with the rest of us?

And could someone utter the words “Virgina” to this man?

Very entertaining.  I especially like the use of foul language, it really hits the point home.  Bet that person kicks it’s dog when it can’t catch the cat.

I’m so sick of all this red state/blue state shit.  I live in Illinois so my vote for President never counts.  Luckily, the rest of the country bailed us out again, at least those of us that live outside of Chicago.  Illinois as a whole was mostly red to white except for a big dark blue patch in the northeast corner.  Another thing, if Illinois as a whole is such an “enlightened blue state” why did one of our senate candidates get chased out of the race for trying to have sex with *gasp* his own wife?  I could go forever on that whole mess.

Just a caveat to Fangbeer’s earlier history lesson, that the Democrats fought to preserve slavery:  The Democrats of the 1860’s became the Republicans of today.

It was the Democrats that caused the South to break from the Union back in the 1860’s and, up until the middle of the century, the “Solid South” only voted Democrat.  The Democrats of that age started turning into the Republicans of the present, however, around the time that FDR started to openly criticize the Southern, conservative Democrats (who referred to themselves as “Dixie-crats") for going against his liberal programs and using his name anyway for votes.  Obviously there are more details than that, but it is interesting how a century caused the Democrats and Republicans to essentially trade names and constituencies.  I’ll try adding another post so I can refer anyone interested in learning more to some books on the subject!

Arg.  Wireless sucks ass. Well, it rocks, but I just had a long ass response to corbin get eaten by a drop in wireless serice.  Bummer.  I guess I’ll just have to say I disagree and qualify the statement in the morning.

Cause we fucking founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about?

Washington and Madison were from Virginia, a so-called Red State. Of course, it wouldn’t surprise me to think this guy thought Washington was from Washington.

The Democrats of the 1860’s became the Republicans of today.

Okay, so let’s revisit the history lesson.  We’ll start with Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson was the founder of the Democratic-Republican Party.  If we take a look at his politics you can see that he was a blend of the two parties we have today.  I happen to think that if Thomas were to experience the politics of today, he would be more apt to be a modern day Republican, than a modern day Democrat.  I say this because Thomas’ greatest underlying fear was that American government would get too big for its britches.  This fear of his gave us the bill of rights.  Thomas was all for limiting the amount of power government had over its people.  He had many liberal ideals, but none of them extended into the expansion of government to realize those ideals.

Fast forward to the 1800s.  There’s great division between the Democratic-Republican Party over the slavery issue.  The Northern Democratic-Republican party had begun an extensive industrial revolution through laissez faire capitalism.  Their economy, and therefore their political power became vastly successful.  The South’s economy, on the other hand, was driven by slave labor.  The South needed to hold on to slavery in order to compete with the economic power of the North. I say this because the north was far better equipped to succeed under laissez faire capitalism.  Take a look at our current county-based election map.  You’ll see that all the blue counties are on the coast, and up the Mississippi river.  It doesn’t take much to realize that the best way to conduct trade in those days was by boat.  The red states couldn’t trade as well as the blue states because they didn’t have access to waterways and resources that they could conduct trade on.  They missed the boat.

It’s at this time we experience a division in the Democratic-Republican Party, and the Democrat, and Republican parties are born.  The Republican Party adopted the platform of Laissez faire capitalism, free labor, free land, and free business.  The Democratic Party worked in the south to fight those ideals in order to retain their political power, slaves, and therefore their economy.  As any good American should know, the Northern Republicans won the war.  This caused great animosity between the north and the south.  The people in the red states stayed Democratic because they just couldn’t bring themselves to align with the party that kicked their butts in the civil war.  It took a long time for them to realize that the success that the north experienced was through capitalism. 

Meanwhile, the north was fat on its success during the industrial revolution.  They took a look around and decided that their free business scheme was choking their air, stomping on the little guy, making the rich richer and the poor poorer.  They shunned the policies that made them fat and adopted the ideals of the Democratic Party.  The south on the other hand started to adopt the ideals of the Republican Party because they knew it was the only way they could succeed as the north had.  Unfortunately the regulation of the northern policies completely wiped out the political environment that allowed the north to succeed.  The south was literally left in the dust by the liberal elite. 

So yes, the people’s ideals changed, but the parties themselves have remained the same.  Sure, both the Democratic and Republican parties have evolved over time, but it’s not the 180 that Corbin implies.

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Fangbeer: I enjoyed your explanation of how the Solid South Republicans bear no relation to the Solid South Democrats, but I feel your understanding still isn’t as clear as it could be.  Please refer to the following website (it’s nothing biased; it’s just the first site I googled) http://explanation-guide.info/meaning/Solid-South.html.

I stand by what I said: The Republicans of today were the Democrats of the 1860’s.

At least, more so than the Democrats of today are.

[Quote]And no, you can’t have your fucking convention in New York next time. Fuck off.[/Quote]
Hey loser, didn’t you know that, here in NYC, our mayors have been Republican since 1994? And our state has had a Republican governor since 1995? Do you have authority higher that Mayor Bloomberg and Governor Pataki? What makes you think you have the power to decide where the GOP wants to hold their convention? What a narcissistic idiot this guy is.

um, no where on the site did he/she say he/she was a democrat....

all he/she said was it was the blue states against the red states.

and I really think you’re all appaulingly immature. didn’t you read the terms of service on here? I signed up only to post this comment and I clearly see it says no vulgar, obscene, hateful comments should be allowed to be posted.

this thread sounds pretty hateful to me.

and posting the registry info? that’s nice.

Neal Pollack sticks up for the South

Don’t Fuck The South [Nov 10, 2004]

I know I promised I wouldn’t post again this week, but I’ve been
receiving emails all day about this site
[http://www.fuckthesouth.com/],
because people think I’ll find it “funny.” Well, it’s not funny. The
writer makes some valid points about how the South seems to get a
disproportionate amount of federal pork. That, I’ll give him. But as
for
the rest of his (or her) argument, I can say one word: Nonsense.

The South isn’t the only region of the country that is over-pious about
its churchgoing and aggressive in trumpeting its “values.” You can find
equal culprits all over the country. This isn’t a regional conflict
we’re in, it’s an intellectual one, and people live on both sides of
the
debate in every state. Northern stereotypes about the South are
snobbish
and annoying. Enough already!

I was born in Memphis, grew up in Phoenix, got married in Nashville,
went on my honeymoon in North Carolina, and live in Austin. Many dear
friends grew up in and still reside below the Mason-Dixon Line. The
South is diverse. It’s varied. And yes, it’s ignorant in many ways. But
I’ve never lived in a more segregated place than Chicago, the epitome
of
a great Northern city, and have never seen as much concentrated poverty
and injustice in this country as when I lived in Philadelphia, the
birthplace of our Constitution. So spare me the superiority rap.

The south gave us Johnny Cash, Ray Charles, Michael Jordan, Hank
Williams, Tennessee Williams, fried chicken, Gone With The Wind, Truman
Capote, pecan pie, barbecue, Mark Twain, and manned flight. The list
goes on and on. Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were both from
Virginia, both founding fathers and both gun-toting slave owners. If
you
say ‘fuck the South,” you’re saying fuck Nashville and Charlotte and
Charleston, and Atlanta, and Austin, and New Orleans, and Athens,
Georgia, the city that gave us the B52s and R.E.M. and...OK, well, fuck
R.E.M. But that has nothing to do with the South.

I assume this person is a Democrat. The last three Democratic
Presidents
came from Texas, Georgia, and Arkansas, respectively. I say this to all
of you who think it’s funny and wise to say “fuck the South.” If you
fuck the South, you’re fucking yourselves.

Perhaps the South-basher shoul read Jimmy Carter’s new book about the Revolutionary War.  Most of the battles were in the South, and the war was won in the South.  Other than the battle of Yorktown, most of the famous battles and martial events (e.g. Valley Forge, Battle of Trenton) were Northern failures, small gains, or merely symbolic acts like the Boston Tea Party.  History only tells the Northern half of the Revolution. Perhaps we need more Southern revisionism.

I tend to ignore most people who express this writer’s sentiments unless I am stuck in close quarters with them.  Still, many times when I am in the Northeast, I am dumbfounded not by arrogance or condescension towards the South.  I am used to that.  What strikes me is the complete lack of knowledge about or experience with the South, the stereotypes that they would consider grossly unfair if applied elsewhere, and the lack of interest in learning anything or in challenging their positions.  It is hard to reach out to arrogant people and to sore losers, especially when they claim a high level of worldliness, but have very little idea what they are talking about.

This guy is pretty out-to lunch in his deluded liberal la-la land.

we fucking founded this country,

Umm when he says “we” does he think HE was actually THERE???  This country was founded hundreds of years before this jackoff was even a sperm in his daddy’s ballsac.

Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were

Well, dickhead, I’d love to answer.  Our founding fathers were... the original right-wing extremists.
Do you know what brought our founding fathers to start a revolution?  Do you have any clue what it was they were pissed off about?

The Main Reasons

3. Freedom

Hmmmmm....... Sound familiar?  Do I smell a DEMO.. RAT?  Yes, you guessed it!  It’s over 200 years later and look, the assholes we’re trying to get away from -

1. those persecuting religion (think ACLU, “Jesusland” insults, the last 3 paragraphs of your lame rant, etc.)

2.raising taxes out of control (Democrats and Liberals!)

3. You’ve got your liberal leaders and liberal mainstream media praising their heros Castro, liberal Hollywood praising socialists Michael Moore and Che Guevara & Jimmy Carter mourning the loss of “Nobel Peace Laureate Yasser Terrorfat”

-- those assholes the Democrats and Liberals.
Those assholes are you!

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE MAKEUP ! YOU ARE THE THE ASSHOLE WHO NEEDS TO MOVE TO FRANCE WHERE YOU BELONG.

By the way, I voted for Bush and I am not Christian.

um, no where on the site did he/she say he/she was a democrat....

Well, the author stated that “we” can’t have our convention in New York. Would you like to guess which party held their convention in New York City this year? Regardless of whether this person is a Democrat or simply hates Republicans, they have no right to say whether the RNC can hold their convention in NYC or not.

and I really think you’re all appaulingly immature.

this thread sounds pretty hateful to me.

Right, as opposed to the harmonious sophistication of the rant posted at the site in question? That site’s author is a hateful idiot, who wrote an irrational hate-filled diatribe, and we’re simply pointing that out. I think that in comparison the message of that site, we’re being pretty civil.

misterjfrost, please don’t presume to police my website.  I find that kind of arrogance appalingly immature.

MoorestinksFormerlyMSA:

I’m not a Christian either.  I voted for Bush after a careful analysis of all of the issues and with a big dose of common sense.  It was an easy choice.  The pathetic vitriolic political base of the Democratic Party is its destruction.  So lets celebrate this crazy rant as the death of one of the worst elements of American politics while we reach out to some parts of the Democratic base.  The issue is whom should we isolate, and whom we should welcome into the fold.  In other words, lets focus on where the Republican Party is going to be while the Democratic Party wastes itself away.  This is an opportunity that is going to take some soul searching.  Hopefully it can be done with party discipline and without much infighting.  We can bring Reagan’s vision into further fruition, and turn our back on the McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, and Kerry philosophies (and the Clinton sleaze) of my lifetime (post-Vietnem), and prepare for what is to come when Hillary Clinton runs for president or, God forbid, gets nominated for the Supreme Court.

given the fact that I live in new york, both at this moment and during the convention, I’m well aware of what party used madison square garden as their convention space.

furthermore, I didn’t see the author in question posting any of your home addresses, regardless of whether they’re freely available or incorrect or not.

furthermore, I didn’t see the author in question specifically saying anything to any of YOU.

furthermore, whether I agree with what the author in question says or not, whether I agree with his word choice or not, his research is pretty sound. you just like to skew it around so that it fits into what YOU want to bitch about.

that, my irrational friends, would get you kicked out of science school.

and finally, furthermore, JimK, go sit on a cock. if you don’t want your site policed, don’t write up a terms of service.

oh, or is it only supposed to apply to whiny liberal pussies?

oh, and I figure I should point out that I was born and raised in new orleans and lived there for seventeen years, before any of you start accusing me of being a northerner who has no experience/knowledge of the south.

Mr. Frost comes to a website, tries to police it with additional angry rantings, while at the same time complaining about the ire provoked by a very offensive anonymous post circulating among the public, and whines about the reception he has received.  I’m all for open debate Mr. Frost, but why come to this website only to echo a self-righteous rant of insults and rage?  How can you jump on the bandwagon with such a hate-filled rant?  Angry and isolated as you are, you can’t truly be this blind.  Are you nothing more than a sore loser on the fringes of American society?

Oh, and you call that rant based on sound research?  It is one of the most closed minded examples of regional exceptionalism I have ever read in my life.  Would you please chill out and try not to presume you know everything.  Perhaps if you and your bitter buddies would attempt to learn as much as you think you have to teach, your blood pressure would go down and the simplistic worldview and understanding of history you endorse would mature.

firstly, you’ve obviously never actually experienced anger before, my dear sammy, because if this is a “hate-filled rant” and so forth than really, get out of the house and go to some place where you’ll really be greated with some anger. this is about as calm as you’ll ever get.

secondly, the damn website was obviously a joke. you all might want to absorb mr. sammy’s advice and chill out as well, instead of crying fowl.

third, I didn’t come here to debate anything with any of you. I was pretty clear. you’ve crossed a line with your comments, you’ve crossed a line with your level of venom, you’ve crossed a line by posting the contact information of the person who created the website. what did you hope to achive by doing that? I’m sure it wasn’t so that you and your friends could send him cookies.

fourth, I know this is asking a lot from you guys, but really, turn off your “red” vision and reread the comments posted in this thread up until mine. what high blood pressure? what bitterness? you’re the ones with the language.

or should I quote? in the post itself the second sentence says dipshit. the entire post is angry. go further. if I’m the one who’s presuming to know everything, which, um, I didn’t, given the fact that I’ve really only made two statements in the three comments I’ve posted, I’d think you’d at least have the spiritual evolution required to examine both sides of an arguement.

but really, you don’t. you’re all sitting here screaming about what somebody wrote on their own page that they paid for with their own money.

I didn’t say I agreed with him. I do, for the most part, but that wasn’t what I was pointing out. I was pointing out that you’re breaching this site’s own terms of service, your own words are violent and irrational and pretty much indicative of right-wing conservatism in general, and so forth. don’t change my words around.

and as for my own “angry rantings,” what’s good for the goose, kiddo.

and I haven’t whined once. whining is complaining without reason or backing. I’ve got both.

adieu.

Damn Yankee

Oh, and thanks for the concern about my spiritual evolution.

I thought income redistribution was a goal of the left. Take from the rich blue states and give to the poor red states.