JimK,

I can respect personal issues with the Catholic Church, or any religion. My mother had an issue which caused her to leave the Catholic Church. Her friend was ex-communicated(sorry if its spelled wrong, working 3rd shift and posting in the AM doesn’t help my already sometimes poor spelling) for getting pregnant when not married. I was simply trying to point out what you have clarified. Take to task those in a position of power within the religion, not with the religion itself.

I do support freedom. Freedom of all things. I will never force my relgion or any other view upon anyone else, and I appreciate the same from others. This PC BS that perpetuates society and the various religious groups out there who want to tell me/us how to run our lives in any way need to go away.

Just because I subscribe to, in my own manner, the beliefs of a religion, does not mean I think others must as well. I would like to think the majority of religious people out there are similiar.

A bit off topic. It is slighly agrivating to see religion attacked almost everywhere I go online these days. Its like the new “in” thing. Believe, or don’t Believe, that is your own choice. But its not neccisary to belittle or spew venom at anyone who happens to post and admit(as if its some crime) that they follow a religion.

As for regular folks, especially thinse of you that frequent this place and are Catholic (or any other religion I may offend in the future), most of the time my words are not directed at you, but at those who are in charge of your choice of religions.

I am Catholic and you’re not offending me. Especially when the only mass I attend is Midnight Mass on Christmas, and when one of the blessings is that the term marriage should be exclusively used between heterosexual couples (me: shrugging my shoulders and rolling my eyes)

Her friend was ex-communicated(sorry if its spelled wrong, working 3rd shift and posting in the AM doesn’t help my already sometimes poor spelling) for getting pregnant when not married.

Such a sweet buncha guys.

Take to task those in a position of power within the religion, not with the religion itself.

Except what you just pointed out is exactly what that religion says to do. It’s a cult of hate and anger.
If I ever were to take part in organized religion, I’d try to find one that didn’t focus around being God’s bitch.

I second Putzboy.

I’ve never ever forced my religion upon anyone, in fact I hardly ever bring it up without being on topic (Such as now). As a catholic JimK has never offended me and I realized he was attacking catholic leadership in his previous post and not all catholics in general. So JimK has and will continue to remain at the top of my blogroll :-D. I’m all for freedom to, even in my last post I stated that the show didn’t deserve to be taken off of the air. I just felt that it was a disgusting way to get laughs. And Rann you just seem to hate all organized religion and the only really evil and truly insulting thing I could say to you it seems would be…

Jesus loves you

The only religious folks I can tolerate these days are the ones who don’t think I’m going to burn in hell forever if I don’t convert to their religion.  Those of you who are in the aforementioned crowd… mostly I have pity for you that you could be so fearful as to not see how stupid an idea that is.

Quick word for JimK and, later, Rann Aridorn,

JimK,
(for the record, a huge fan of Moorewatch)

I shouldn’t have to say this at the outset, but I will - I’m not Catholic or Christian.

You said this earlier:

Oh, and transubstantiation is a metaphor you unbelievable jackasses

No, it’s not, and it never, ever has been.  Any brief look at the history of Catholic dogma will tell you that.

Rann Aridorn,
Anger is not in and of itself a good enough reason for telling the world your opinion.

The point - I don’t care if Jimk’s angry at the church or not, but when he misrepresents the facts (obviously a mistake in this case) to further his opinion, he’s making the same mistake he’s rightly chided Moore for so very many times - i.e., you ruin your own cause by making false claims when you could be making true ones.

That said, here you go:
Any proper understanding of transubstantiation from a Catholic point of view makes their outrage not only understood, but expected.  That doesn’t condone their methods of censorship, obviously; but if you’re attacking their methods, no one’s going to listen to you when you start attacking them and get the basic facts wrong.

More to Rann Aridorn -
I’ve checked over your previous posts.  Nothing (read again, nothing) you’ve said so far has been remotely correct (most notably this one).  If you’ve got a really angry opinion and have no real knowledge to back it up, keep it to yourself.

(Once again, I’m not Catholic, nor do I enjoy defending the Catholic church.)
-Homercles

(Oh, and Rann, for the record, I"m not Catholic.  Just wanted to say it again, in case you missed it or think I’m lying, like you said with this guy.)

No, it’s not, and it never, ever has been.

Um, yes. It is. Unless you are trying to claim that an unleavened wafer actually physically transforms itself into something other than an unleavened wafer, and the grape juice/wine actually transforms itself to the Blood of Christ, then it’s a metaphor.

A parable, if you will.

I’d be willing to put science - testing those wafers and wine both before and after the priest blesses them - against your “reality” any day and twice on Sundays.

If you’ll pardon the pun.

Anger is not in and of itself a good enough reason for telling the world your opinion.

Hey, fuck you. You don’t have a single solitary better reason for expressing your opinion than I do. You may think you do, but you don’t automatically get more of a right to free speech just because you’re a self-assured jackass.

He also thinks that “Free Speech” needs a reason, much like the gun-grabbers think you need to have a valid reason to own a gun....